[Computer-go] New paper by DeepMind

uurtamo uurtamo at gmail.com
Fri Dec 7 07:40:36 PST 2018


What I'm saying is that the patent is functionally meaningless. Who is
there to sue?

Moreover, there is no enforceable patent on the broad class of algorithms
that could reproduce these results. No?

s.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 4:16 AM Jim O'Flaherty <jim.oflaherty.jr at gmail.com
wrote:

> Tysvm for the clarification, Tokumoto.
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 8:02 PM 甲斐徳本 <tokumotokai at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What's insane about it?
>> To me, what Jim O'Flaherty stated is common sense in the field of
>> patents, and any patent attorney would attest to that.  If I may add, Jim's
>> last sentence should read "Google's patent application" instead of
>> "Google's patent".  The difference is huge, and this may be in the heart of
>> the issue, which is not well understood by the general public.
>>
>> In other words, thousands of patent applications are filed in the world
>> without any hope of the patent eventually being granted, to establish
>> "prior art" thereby protecting what's described in it from being patented
>> by somebody else.
>>
>> Or, am I responding to a troll?
>>
>> Tokumoto
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:01 AM uurtamo <uurtamo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You're insane.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 4:13 PM Jim O'Flaherty <jim.oflaherty.jr at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remember, patents are a STRATEGIC mechanism as well as a legal
>>>> mechanism. As soon as a patent is publically filed (for example, as
>>>> utility, and following provisional), the text and claims in the patent
>>>> immediately become prior art globally as of the original filing date
>>>> REGARDLESS of whether the patent is eventually approved or rejected. IOW, a
>>>> patent filing is a mechanism to ensure no one else can make a similar claim
>>>> without risking this filing being used as a possible prior art refutation.
>>>>
>>>> I know this only because it is a strategy option my company is using in
>>>> an entirely different unrelated domain. The patent filing is defensive such
>>>> that someone else cannot make a claim and take our inventions away from us
>>>> just because the coincidentally hit near our inventions.
>>>>
>>>> So considering Google's past and their participation in the OIN, it is
>>>> very likely Google's patent is ensuring the ground all around this area is
>>>> sufficiently salted to stop anyone from attempting to exploit nearby patent
>>>> claims.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>> Jim O'Flaherty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 5:44 PM Erik van der Werf <
>>>> erikvanderwerf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 11:28 PM Rémi Coulom <remi.coulom at free.fr>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, the AlphaZero algorithm is patented:
>>>>>> https://patentscope2.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2018215665
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So far it just looks like an application (and I don't think it will be
>>>>> be difficult to oppose, if you care about this)
>>>>>
>>>>> Erik
>>>>>
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