[Computer-go] New paper by DeepMind

Jim O'Flaherty jim.oflaherty.jr at gmail.com
Fri Dec 7 04:07:35 PST 2018


Tysvm for the clarification, Tokumoto.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 8:02 PM 甲斐徳本 <tokumotokai at gmail.com wrote:

> What's insane about it?
> To me, what Jim O'Flaherty stated is common sense in the field of patents,
> and any patent attorney would attest to that.  If I may add, Jim's last
> sentence should read "Google's patent application" instead of "Google's
> patent".  The difference is huge, and this may be in the heart of the
> issue, which is not well understood by the general public.
>
> In other words, thousands of patent applications are filed in the world
> without any hope of the patent eventually being granted, to establish
> "prior art" thereby protecting what's described in it from being patented
> by somebody else.
>
> Or, am I responding to a troll?
>
> Tokumoto
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:01 AM uurtamo <uurtamo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You're insane.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 4:13 PM Jim O'Flaherty <jim.oflaherty.jr at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Remember, patents are a STRATEGIC mechanism as well as a legal
>>> mechanism. As soon as a patent is publically filed (for example, as
>>> utility, and following provisional), the text and claims in the patent
>>> immediately become prior art globally as of the original filing date
>>> REGARDLESS of whether the patent is eventually approved or rejected. IOW, a
>>> patent filing is a mechanism to ensure no one else can make a similar claim
>>> without risking this filing being used as a possible prior art refutation.
>>>
>>> I know this only because it is a strategy option my company is using in
>>> an entirely different unrelated domain. The patent filing is defensive such
>>> that someone else cannot make a claim and take our inventions away from us
>>> just because the coincidentally hit near our inventions.
>>>
>>> So considering Google's past and their participation in the OIN, it is
>>> very likely Google's patent is ensuring the ground all around this area is
>>> sufficiently salted to stop anyone from attempting to exploit nearby patent
>>> claims.
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Jim O'Flaherty
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 5:44 PM Erik van der Werf <
>>> erikvanderwerf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 11:28 PM Rémi Coulom <remi.coulom at free.fr>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, the AlphaZero algorithm is patented:
>>>>> https://patentscope2.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2018215665
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So far it just looks like an application (and I don't think it will be
>>>> be difficult to oppose, if you care about this)
>>>>
>>>> Erik
>>>>
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