[Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

Xavier Combelle xavier.combelle at gmail.com
Fri Oct 27 01:15:07 PDT 2017


Maybe I'm wrong but both curves for alphago zero looks pretty similar
except than the figure 3 is the zoom in of figure 6

Le 27 oct. 2017 04:31, "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" <gcp at sjeng.org> a écrit :

> Figure 6 has the same graph as Figure 3 but for 40 blocks. You can compare
> the Elo.
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 23:35 Xavier Combelle <xavier.combelle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Unless I mistake figure 3 shows the plot of supervised learning to
>> reinforcement learning, not 20 bloc/40 block
>>
>> For searching mention of the 20 blocks I search for 20 in the whole
>> paper and did not found any other mention
>>
>> than of the kifu thing.
>>
>>
>> Le 26/10/2017 à 15:10, Gian-Carlo Pascutto a écrit :
>> > On 26-10-17 10:55, Xavier Combelle wrote:
>> >> It is just wild guesses  based on reasonable arguments but without
>> >> evidence.
>> > David Silver said they used 40 layers for AlphaGo Master. That's more
>> > evidence than there is for the opposite argument that you are trying to
>> > make. The paper certainly doesn't talk about a "small" and a "big"
>> Master.
>> >
>> > You seem to be arguing from a bunch of misreadings and
>> > misunderstandings. For example, Figure 3 in the paper shows the Elo plot
>> > for the 20 block/40 layer version, and it compares to Alpha Go Lee, not
>> > Alpha Go Master. The Alpha Go Master line would be above the flattening
>> > part of the 20 block/40 layer AlphaGo Zero. I guess you missed this when
>> > you say that they "only mention it to compare on kifu prediction"?
>> >
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