[Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

Xavier Combelle xavier.combelle at gmail.com
Wed Oct 25 08:58:44 PDT 2017

I understand better

Le 25/10/2017 à 04:28, Hideki Kato a écrit :
> Are you thinking the 1st instance could reach Master level 
> if giving more training days?
> I don't think so.  The performance would be stopping 
> improving at 3 days.  If not, why they built the 2nd 
> instance?
> Best,
> Hideki
> Xavier Combelle: <05c04de1-59c4-8fcd-2dd1-094faabf38a7 at gmail.com>:
>> How is it a fair comparison if there is only 3 days of training for Zero ?
>> Master had longer training no ? Moreover, Zero has bootstrap problem
>> because at the opposite of Master it don't learn from expert games
>> which means that it is likely to be weaker with little training.
>> Le 24/10/2017 à 20:20, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>>> David Silver told Master used 40 layers network in May. 
>>> According to new paper, Master used the same architecture 
>>> as Zero.  So, Master used 20 blocks ResNet.  
>>> The first instance of Zero, 20 blocks ResNet version, is 
>>> weaker than Master (after 3 days training).  So, with the 
>>> same layers (a fair comparison) Zero is weaker than 
>>> Master.
>>> Hideki
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