[Computer-go] Is Go group pattern recognition by CNN possible?

Petr Baudis pasky at ucw.cz
Thu Apr 21 02:17:19 PDT 2016


  Hi!

  Since "the record's stuck", I have found this as another rant without
point, and djhbrown hasn't responded to my private request for staying
on topic and friendly, I have taken the liberty to "cast the first
stone" and

	enabled the moderation bit for djhbrown.

  I'll be happy to pass through any mail that could have an interesting
insight, otherwise I invite those enjoying these reads to watch his
blog and youtube channel.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 11:52:01AM +1000, djhbrown . wrote:
> Surely, someone, somewhere, has used, or tried to use, a CNN to label
> groups in a Go game 361-pixellation?
> 
> Q: what's the point of Go?
> A: 361
> 
> (you would have thought someone else would have already thought of that one)
> 
> Minsky and Papert threw a spanner into the works of the NN Magi of the
> day, but whose grandchildren are now basking in the reflected glow of
> their triumphal triumphant  Man Who Would be King Apollo
> Al(pha)exander who has conquered further far East than Kaffiristan -
> Peace Be Upon Her prophet Kipling.
> 
> The spanner was that the MPs found out that Perceptrons were Baron
> Munchausen Walter Mittys who couldn't see the hole in a doughnut,
> which meant that although they could learn to out-Pong space invaders,
> they would become lost in a Pacman maze.  As they did, as Dm hirelings
> let slip out of the bag.
> 
> Later, or before, depending on how you look at it, Backpropagators
> claimed to have overcome this clog in their Jaquard's Loom in a Simple
> Twist of Fate by claiming that Minsky was ancient history just as he
> had claimed that they would so become [1], and now the new religion of
> Stratified Convolutionism is claiming columnar accession to the throne
> of AI, after Marchly breaking the back of the monster Orwellian
> Goldstein gold standard Enemy of the Statespace, so it's just a few
> weeks left to the Singularity, say the homeopathic snake-oil homology
> self-promotional entrepreneurial salesmen.
> 
> Sir Humphrey: "Everything is connected... who said that?"
> Bernard: "The Cabinet Secretary?"
> Sir H: "Nearly right; actually, it was Lenin"
> 
> Norman Mailer once ranted that critics should be shot, but The Prince
> Vespasian Flavius was cunninger, seeing the wisdom of his
> Machiavelli-of-the-day Josephus that rather than claim to be the Sun
> incarnate (as had his predecessors and as would his son's successors)
> and attempt ViViVi by enfilade brute force, he could rule over the
> southern desert troublemakers more easily and cheaply by spin
> propaganda alone, simply by pretending he and his son Titus were the
> earthly allegory of the heavenly born-again Messiah they yearned for
> and put into that character's mouth the platitude that they should
> render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and love their enemies rather
> than stone them.
> 
> And it worked, for two thousand years, and is still going strong
> despite a few seminal whacky  leaks, just as Monty Python's Black
> Adder Baldrick C(u)NN(ing) Plan has created a Reich that will last a
> thousand years and upon which the sun will never set, so let us parrot
> Hymn Number google in the Good Bok of Not the Nine O-Clock News [2]
> and that other one:
> 
>  "it (symbolic reasoning) is an ex-parrot; it has ceased to be.  Monty
> is Great!  I avow that there is no Go but Monty.".
> 
> Apologies to those unfamiliar with the various historical allusions
> that are variously common and uncommon knowledge among readers of A
> History of the English-Speaking Peoples, to whom it will be somewhat
> illusory without Googling the Gogglebox. which may cause the more
> insecure among them to jump on the bandwagon of striking the first
> blow and casting the first stone for the umpteenth time, anxious for
> attention and the comfort blanket of communal hatred of any straw man
> that stumbles across their blinkered monochrome landscape, so to
> relieve the burden of thought, Sherpa the Sean suggests somewheres to
> start:
> 
> 1. http://www.webofstories.com/play/marvin.minsky/25
> 
> 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqilW8OpeGc
> 
> Only a Dostoyevskian Idiot-ic lone wolf apostate would dare leave the
> quiet safety of the silent steppes to risk the monotonic ugly-mouthed
> egg-throwing of self-righteous smug lion camp followers snug in their
> schooled mutual hatred of anything or anyone with more melanin or a
> different perspective than their straightjacket mindset.
> 
> The record's stuck, the record's stuck.
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				Petr Baudis
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