[Computer-go] TCGA 19x19 Computer Go Tournament, error report

David Fotland fotland at smart-games.com
Sat Jun 30 18:29:15 PDT 2012


Perhaps the best thing to do is to cancel the 19x19 and schedule it again
later?

regards,

David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go-
> bounces at dvandva.org] On Behalf Of David Fotland
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:15 PM
> To: nick at maproom.co.uk; computer-go at dvandva.org
> Subject: Re: [Computer-go] TCGA 19x19 Computer Go Tournament, error
> report
> 
> It looks like in rounds 10-15 every match timed out, which put the
> tournament back on schedule.  These matches should not be counted in
> the official totals.
> 
> David
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go-
> > bounces at dvandva.org] On Behalf Of Nick Wedd
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:19 PM
> > To: computer-go at dvandva.org
> > Subject: [Computer-go] TCGA 19x19 Computer Go Tournament, error
> report
> >
> > This report is about incidents in the ongoing TCGA 19x19 Computer Go
> > Tournament, now running on KGS.  I am writing this for the record, so
> > that the players and organisers will be aware of all the information
> > that I have.
> >
> > These statements are made for the record.  I hope I can be regarded
> as
> > impartial.  I am only making statements of fact anyway.
> >
> > __Incident 1.
> >
> > During round 2, I removed 'ntnu' from the tournament, at the request
> > of its operator.
> >
> > I hoped that this would reduce the length of the tournament from 36
> > rounds to a more manageable 30, which would allow it to end before
> the
> > start of the July KGS tournament.
> > However, it seems that that is not how the scheduler for a multiple-
> > round-robin works.  Round 10, with eight players, has three games and
> > two byes, rather than the four games that one might expect.  I assume
> > that the entire schedule was drawn up in advance, and one of the two
> > "byes" was scheduled as a game against the now-absent 'ntnu'.
> >
> > I do not know how to avoid a clash with the schedule of the KGS July
> > bot tournament.  I am now too tired to think sensibly about it, and
> > will go to bed soon.  I will leave 'guxxan' to think about it.
> >
> >
> > __Incident 2.
> >
> > During round 3, 'ajahuang' saw that Fuego19, which he was operating,
> > had a hopeless position against nomitan440, and proposed logging in
> > and resigning for it.  If I had been more alert, I would have
> realised
> > what was likely to happen, and told him not to;  but I said nothing.
> >
> > He logged in to Fuego19's account, and resigned for it.  The KGS
> > tournament system observed a human using a bot's account in a bot
> > tournament, regarded this as an attempt to cheat, and marked the game
> > as lost by "Forfeit".  Thus this round 2 game has two different
> > results:  KGS sees it as lost by Fuego19 by resignation, while the
> KGS
> > tournament system sees it as lost by Fuego19 by Forfeit.
> >
> > There is no significant problem so far, this outcome was what I had
> > expected.
> >
> > However, the tournament was running behind the optimistic
> > 25-minutes-a- round specified when it was set up.  So when this round
> > 2 game ended (all the other round 2 games had already ended), round 3
> > began immediately.  And ajahuang was still logged in to Fuego19's
> account.
> > So Fuego19's round 3 game (against AyaMC5) was also treated, by the
> > tournament system, as lost by Fuego19, by Forfeit.  But the game
> > continued to be played.
> >
> > When the other round 3 games were finished, round 4 started (the
> > tournament system regarding the Fuego19/AyaMC5 game as already
> > decided).  I realised that Fuego19 and AyaMC we still playing in
> their
> > round 3 game and had not joined their round
> > 4 games, so, to free them up and let them play in round 4, I used my
> > admin power to "kill" this game.  I believe that
> > Fuego19 had been winning it at the time.  I killed it rather too
> > slowly, so that when AyaMC5 joined its round 4 game against Zen19S,
> it
> > has already lost one of its 15-second overtime periods.  I apologise
> > to AyaMC5's operator for this.
> > Fuego19 did not suffer loss of an overtime period, as it had a bye in
> > round 4.
> >
> > Nick
> > --
> > Nick Wedd
> > nick at maproom.co.uk
> >
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