[Computer-go] on MixBot CrazyStone + Zen

Aja ajahuang at gmail.com
Thu Apr 28 18:42:43 PDT 2011

Hello Ingo,

For now, I really don't think a mixed "program" of bonobot and Zen will be 
lifted to something like 7d by my final choices. But I believe they both 
will improve a lot one year later. :)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-Hirn-Verlag at gmx.de>
To: <computer-go at dvandva.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] on MixBot CrazyStone + Zen

> Hello,
> now I found time to read several sgf protocols
> of KGS games played by BonoBot.
> Here is part of the chat from a game between
> BonoBot and Zen, which I find very interesting.
> PW[Zen19B]PB[bonobot]  DT[2011-04-23]
> ************ Chat on *****************
> ajahuang]: they are strong at different aspects
> [ajahuang]: Zen features more fighting and semeai
> [ajahuang]: Bonobot is better at direction
> [ThePok]: so they have to merge
> [ARPAnet]: What do you think, aja? How strong would
> be a mixed "program" where Zen and bonobot suggest
> a move in a current game situation but a human (for
> example you) decides which one of those moves should
> be played?
> [ajahuang]: it depends on fast or slow game
> [ARPAnet]: well, how about the current time setting
> [ajahuang]: 5d up, sure
> [ThePok]: than theres not much time to choose
> [ajahuang]: if not 5d, at least 4d
> [ARPAnet]: hmm, ok thanks
> ...
> [BOThater36]: so dont trust Aja can pick the best move :-)
> [ajahuang]: everything could happen in fast games...anyway :)
> ************ Chat off ****************
> From my chess experiences I would say that Aja is rather
> pessimistic. Between 1985 and 1997 I made several 3-Hirn
> experiments where I was the human having the final choice
> between candidate moves by two different chess bots.
> My rating was around 1900, and through a wide range of
> bot ratings (between 1500 and 2500) I was able to add
> 200 ratings points to the strengths of the bots  (in these
> experiments the bots had very similar strengths - only my
> human strength differed a lot).
> If this would translate to "server go", 5d-Zen and 5d-BonoBot
> would be lifted to something like 7d by the final choices
> of Aja Huang[6d].
> I am really eager to see, if this holds in reality.
> Ingo.
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