[Computer-go] on MixBot CrazyStone + Zen

Michael Williams michaelwilliams75 at gmail.com
Thu Apr 28 14:54:23 PDT 2011


Sorry, Pachi



On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Michael Williams <
michaelwilliams75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would be more interested to see three strong programs voting for moves
> and no human intervention.  Perhaps add Patchi to the mix.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:31 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-Hirn-Verlag at gmx.de>wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> now I found time to read several sgf protocols
>> of KGS games played by BonoBot.
>>
>> Here is part of the chat from a game between
>> BonoBot and Zen, which I find very interesting.
>>
>> PW[Zen19B]PB[bonobot]  DT[2011-04-23]
>> ************ Chat on *****************
>> ajahuang]: they are strong at different aspects
>> [ajahuang]: Zen features more fighting and semeai
>> [ajahuang]: Bonobot is better at direction
>>
>> [ThePok]: so they have to merge
>>
>> [ARPAnet]: What do you think, aja? How strong would
>> be a mixed "program" where Zen and bonobot suggest
>> a move in a current game situation but a human (for
>> example you) decides which one of those moves should
>> be played?
>>
>> [ajahuang]: it depends on fast or slow game
>>
>> [ARPAnet]: well, how about the current time setting
>>
>> [ajahuang]: 5d up, sure
>> [ThePok]: than theres not much time to choose
>> [ajahuang]: if not 5d, at least 4d
>> [ARPAnet]: hmm, ok thanks
>> ...
>> [BOThater36]: so dont trust Aja can pick the best move :-)
>> [ajahuang]: everything could happen in fast games...anyway :)
>> ************ Chat off ****************
>>
>> From my chess experiences I would say that Aja is rather
>> pessimistic. Between 1985 and 1997 I made several 3-Hirn
>> experiments where I was the human having the final choice
>> between candidate moves by two different chess bots.
>> My rating was around 1900, and through a wide range of
>> bot ratings (between 1500 and 2500) I was able to add
>> 200 ratings points to the strengths of the bots  (in these
>> experiments the bots had very similar strengths - only my
>> human strength differed a lot).
>>
>> If this would translate to "server go", 5d-Zen and 5d-BonoBot
>> would be lifted to something like 7d by the final choices
>> of Aja Huang[6d].
>>
>> I am really eager to see, if this holds in reality.
>>
>> Ingo.
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