[Computer-go] on MixBot CrazyStone + Zen

Michael Williams michaelwilliams75 at gmail.com
Thu Apr 28 14:54:09 PDT 2011


I would be more interested to see three strong programs voting for moves and
no human intervention.  Perhaps add Patchi to the mix.



On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:31 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-Hirn-Verlag at gmx.de>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> now I found time to read several sgf protocols
> of KGS games played by BonoBot.
>
> Here is part of the chat from a game between
> BonoBot and Zen, which I find very interesting.
>
> PW[Zen19B]PB[bonobot]  DT[2011-04-23]
> ************ Chat on *****************
> ajahuang]: they are strong at different aspects
> [ajahuang]: Zen features more fighting and semeai
> [ajahuang]: Bonobot is better at direction
>
> [ThePok]: so they have to merge
>
> [ARPAnet]: What do you think, aja? How strong would
> be a mixed "program" where Zen and bonobot suggest
> a move in a current game situation but a human (for
> example you) decides which one of those moves should
> be played?
>
> [ajahuang]: it depends on fast or slow game
>
> [ARPAnet]: well, how about the current time setting
>
> [ajahuang]: 5d up, sure
> [ThePok]: than theres not much time to choose
> [ajahuang]: if not 5d, at least 4d
> [ARPAnet]: hmm, ok thanks
> ...
> [BOThater36]: so dont trust Aja can pick the best move :-)
> [ajahuang]: everything could happen in fast games...anyway :)
> ************ Chat off ****************
>
> From my chess experiences I would say that Aja is rather
> pessimistic. Between 1985 and 1997 I made several 3-Hirn
> experiments where I was the human having the final choice
> between candidate moves by two different chess bots.
> My rating was around 1900, and through a wide range of
> bot ratings (between 1500 and 2500) I was able to add
> 200 ratings points to the strengths of the bots  (in these
> experiments the bots had very similar strengths - only my
> human strength differed a lot).
>
> If this would translate to "server go", 5d-Zen and 5d-BonoBot
> would be lifted to something like 7d by the final choices
> of Aja Huang[6d].
>
> I am really eager to see, if this holds in reality.
>
> Ingo.
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