[Computer-go] Annual "KGS bot championship"
j.chetwynd at btinternet.com
Fri Jul 2 03:34:13 PDT 2010
well had you considered 8 hours each?
for the ultimate trophy....
On 2 Jul 2010, at 11:19, Nick Wedd wrote:
> In message <1A5C1BE3-6A07-446F-9448-790FE160A8E6 at btinternet.com>,
> Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> writes
>> had you considered weighting for time?
>> ie tournaments with longer time intervals might get higher weighting,
>> cf some human dan ranking ladders which do not include fast play.
> That is a good idea, though it will work in the opposite way from
> giving more points for tournaments with more rounds.
>> it has been brought to my attention that whilst humans like
>> relatively long time periods, and require them to play well, there
>> is currently a bias in computer tournaments towards fast play.
> I don't know about a "bias towards fast play". Bias relative to
> what? To what humans prefer?
> In organising bot tournaments, on KGS and elsewhere, I used to come
> under pressure to use slower time limits. This seemed odd, as the
> programs didn't know what to do with the extra thinking time, you
> could give them twice as much time and the moves they found were
> hardly any better. Their algorithms did not scale.
> But in the last four years, since MC programs started to appear,
> things have changed. All good bots now use MC methods, which do
> scale. The more time, and the more processors, a program has, the
> better it plays. But now, I come under pressure (from programmers)
> to use faster time limits.
> This seems odd to me. Maybe the continuing advances in processor
> speed are relevant.
>> On 2 Jul 2010, at 10:37, Nick Wedd wrote:
>>> This is to announce the start of the annual "KGS bot championship".
>>> From now on, in each monthly KGS bot championship, points will be
>>> awarded for the first few places - there might be four points for
>>> first place, two for second, and one for third. These points will
>>> be summed over the year, and the program with the most points will
>>> be declared "annual champion" at the end of the year.
>>> I am still working on how to award the points. The number awarded
>>> in each tournament will depend mostly on the number of players,
>>> also to some extent on umber of rounds, and board size.
>>> As we are already in July (with the next bot tournament this
>>> Sunday), 2010 will be an experimental half-year, with only the
>>> results from July-December counted.
>>> -- Nick Wedd nick at maproom.co.uk
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