[computer-go] 19x19 Study - prior in bayeselo, and KGS study

[Don Dailey]

Is is just my email client or does Terry's post have one word per line
when quoting others?

- Don


terry mcintyre wrote:
> Someone recently posted a 19x19 example. Mogo failed to defend it's position. 
>  
> Terry McIntyre <terrymcintyre at yahoo.com> 
> “Wherever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery.”
>  
> Benjamin Disraeli, Speech in the House of Commons [June 15, 1874]
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Don Dailey <drdailey at cox.net>
> To: computer-go <computer-go at computer-go.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:22:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [computer-go] 19x19 Study - prior in bayeselo, and KGS study
>
>
> I 
> must 
> not 
> understand 
> the 
> problem.  
>   
>  
> My 
> program 
> has 
> no 
> trouble 
> with
> nakade 
> unless 
> you 
> are 
> talking 
> about 
> some 
> special 
> case 
> position.  
>   
> My
> program 
> immediately 
> places 
> the 
> stone 
> on 
> the 
> magic 
> square 
> to 
> protect 
> it's
> 2 
> eyes.  
>   
> I 
> can't 
> believe 
> mogo 
> doesn't 
> do 
> this, 
> it 
> would 
> be 
> very 
> weak
> if 
> it 
> didn't.
>
> Do 
> you 
> guys 
> have 
> a 
> special 
> definition 
> of 
> nakade?  
>
> - 
> Don
>
>
>
>
> terry 
> mcintyre 
> wrote:
>   
> We 
> could 
> test 
> this: 
> find 
> some 
> nakade 
> problems 
> in 
> the 
> games, 
> crank 
> up 
> the 
> number 
> of 
> simulations, 
> and 
> see 
> if 
> Mogo 
> finds 
> the 
> crucial 
> moves.
>   
>>     
> There's 
> the 
> question 
> of 
> how 
> long 
> "eventually" 
> is. 
>   
>>     
> I
>   
>>  
>>
>>     
> Terry 
> McIntyre 
> <terrymcintyre at yahoo.com> 
>   
> “Wherever 
> is 
> found 
> what 
> is 
> called 
> a 
> paternal 
> government, 
> there 
> is 
> found 
> state 
> education. 
> It 
> has 
> been 
> discovered 
> that 
> the 
> best 
> way 
> to 
> insure 
> implicit 
> obedience 
> is 
> to 
> commence 
> tyranny 
> in 
> the 
> nursery.”
>   
>>  
>>
>>     
> Benjamin 
> Disraeli, 
> Speech 
> in 
> the 
> House 
> of 
> Commons 
> [June 
> 15, 
> 1874]
>   
>>     
> ----- 
> Original 
> Message 
> ----
>   
> From: 
> Don 
> Dailey 
> <drdailey at cox.net>
>   
> To: 
> computer-go 
> <computer-go at computer-go.org>
>   
> Sent: 
> Wednesday, 
> January 
> 30, 
> 2008 
> 11:10:01 
> AM
>   
> Subject: 
> Re: 
> [computer-go] 
> 19x19 
> Study 
> - 
> prior 
> in 
> bayeselo, 
> and 
> KGS 
> study
>   
>>
>>     
> Is 
>   
> nakade 
>   
> actually 
>   
> a 
>   
> problem 
>   
> in 
>   
> mogo?  
>   
>>  
>>
>>     
> Are 
>   
> there 
>   
> positions 
>   
> it 
>   
> could
>   
> never 
>   
> solve 
>   
> or 
>   
> is 
>   
> merely 
>   
> a 
>   
> general 
>   
> weakness.  
>   
>>  
>>     
>  
>   
>>     
> I 
>   
> thought 
>   
> the 
>   
> search 
>   
> corrected 
>   
> such 
>   
> problems 
>   
> eventually.
>   
>>     
> - 
>   
> Don
>   
>>
>>     
> Gian-Carlo 
>   
> Pascutto 
>   
> wrote:
>   
>>  
>>     
>  
>   
> Don 
>   
> Dailey 
>   
> wrote:
>   
>>  
>>     
>  
>   
> If 
>   
> a 
>   
> nakade 
>   
> fixed 
>   
> version 
>   
> of 
>   
> mogo 
>   
> (that 
>   
> is 
>   
> truly 
>   
> scalable) 
>   
> was 
>   
> in 
>   
> the
>   
>>  
>>     
>  
>   
> study,  
>   
> how 
>   
> much 
>   
> higher 
>   
> would 
>   
> it 
>   
> be 
>   
> in 
>   
> your 
>   
> estimation?  
>   
>>  
>>     
>  
>   
>>  
>>     
>  
>   
>>>  
>>>       
>   
>  
>   
> You 
>   
> do 
>   
> realize 
>   
> that 
>   
> you 
>   
> are 
>   
> asking 
>   
> how 
>   
> much 
>   
> perfect 
>   
> life 
>   
> and 
>   
> death
>   
>>  
>>     
>  
>   
> knowledge 
>   
> is 
>   
> worth?
>   
>>  
>>     
>  
>   
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