[computer-go] 19x19 Study - prior in bayeselo, and KGS study

[terry mcintyre]

Someone recently posted a 19x19 example. Mogo failed to defend it's position. 
 
Terry McIntyre <terrymcintyre at yahoo.com> 
“Wherever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery.”
 
Benjamin Disraeli, Speech in the House of Commons [June 15, 1874]

----- Original Message ----
From: Don Dailey <drdailey at cox.net>
To: computer-go <computer-go at computer-go.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:22:16 AM
Subject: Re: [computer-go] 19x19 Study - prior in bayeselo, and KGS study


I 
must 
not 
understand 
the 
problem.  
  
 
My 
program 
has 
no 
trouble 
with
nakade 
unless 
you 
are 
talking 
about 
some 
special 
case 
position.  
  
My
program 
immediately 
places 
the 
stone 
on 
the 
magic 
square 
to 
protect 
it's
2 
eyes.  
  
I 
can't 
believe 
mogo 
doesn't 
do 
this, 
it 
would 
be 
very 
weak
if 
it 
didn't.

Do 
you 
guys 
have 
a 
special 
definition 
of 
nakade?  

- 
Don




terry 
mcintyre 
wrote:
> 
We 
could 
test 
this: 
find 
some 
nakade 
problems 
in 
the 
games, 
crank 
up 
the 
number 
of 
simulations, 
and 
see 
if 
Mogo 
finds 
the 
crucial 
moves.
>
> 
There's 
the 
question 
of 
how 
long 
"eventually" 
is. 
>
> 
I
>  
> 
Terry 
McIntyre 
<terrymcintyre at yahoo.com> 
> 
“Wherever 
is 
found 
what 
is 
called 
a 
paternal 
government, 
there 
is 
found 
state 
education. 
It 
has 
been 
discovered 
that 
the 
best 
way 
to 
insure 
implicit 
obedience 
is 
to 
commence 
tyranny 
in 
the 
nursery.”
>  
> 
Benjamin 
Disraeli, 
Speech 
in 
the 
House 
of 
Commons 
[June 
15, 
1874]
>
> 
----- 
Original 
Message 
----
> 
From: 
Don 
Dailey 
<drdailey at cox.net>
> 
To: 
computer-go 
<computer-go at computer-go.org>
> 
Sent: 
Wednesday, 
January 
30, 
2008 
11:10:01 
AM
> 
Subject: 
Re: 
[computer-go] 
19x19 
Study 
- 
prior 
in 
bayeselo, 
and 
KGS 
study
>
>
> 
Is 
> 
nakade 
> 
actually 
> 
a 
> 
problem 
> 
in 
> 
mogo?  
>  
> 
Are 
> 
there 
> 
positions 
> 
it 
> 
could
> 
never 
> 
solve 
> 
or 
> 
is 
> 
merely 
> 
a 
> 
general 
> 
weakness.  
>  
 
>
> 
I 
> 
thought 
> 
the 
> 
search 
> 
corrected 
> 
such 
> 
problems 
> 
eventually.
>
> 
- 
> 
Don
>
>
> 
Gian-Carlo 
> 
Pascutto 
> 
wrote:
>  
 
> 
Don 
> 
Dailey 
> 
wrote:
>  
 
> 
If 
> 
a 
> 
nakade 
> 
fixed 
> 
version 
> 
of 
> 
mogo 
> 
(that 
> 
is 
> 
truly 
> 
scalable) 
> 
was 
> 
in 
> 
the
>  
 
> 
study,  
> 
how 
> 
much 
> 
higher 
> 
would 
> 
it 
> 
be 
> 
in 
> 
your 
> 
estimation?  
>  
 
>  
 
>>  
  
 
> 
You 
> 
do 
> 
realize 
> 
that 
> 
you 
> 
are 
> 
asking 
> 
how 
> 
much 
> 
perfect 
> 
life 
> 
and 
> 
death
>  
 
> 
knowledge 
> 
is 
> 
worth?
>  
 
> 
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