[computer-go] Congratulations to GNU and to MoGoBot19!

[Don Dailey]

On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 21:02 -0400, compgo123 at aol.com wrote:
> Let's assume the game time is set at 10 ms. A random move computer
> program will win over any player in this sub-space of the universe who
> does not have a chip as well as an electronic interface in his body.
> Would such a champion mean anything?

Yes.  It would mean silicon is better at that time control.

I think Remi was making the point that the CrazyStone games were played
at a time control not usually played in serious games.   Therefore he
concludes the rating was inflated.    I didn't understand this at first
because he made it sound like there was a glitch in time-keeping or
something - at least that's how I understood it.   

Of course I'm well aware of the fact that computers play better relative
to humans at faster time controls.   

I'm not as forgiving about games lost on time.   I consider that a valid
loss even if you have a won position.   If you spend too much time
building up a won position, how can you claim a "moral victory" if you
lose on time?    Would you have still had a won position if you had
played quickly?   If the answer is yes, then why didn't you play more
quickly?

What if 2 human players had played at that time control and under those
rules and conditions?   What is the clock for anyway if time loss is not
supposed to be a valid way to lose?

- Don




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Dailey 
> To: computer-go 
> Sent: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 9:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to GNU and to MoGoBot19!
> 
> On Sun, 2007-06-10 at 21:40 -0400, compgo123 at aol.com wrote:
> > Just one comment. The statement that 'it (CrazySton) has a 2k rating
> > on KGS...' could be misleading. Crazystone never achived 2k rating
> > against human player in real gemes. It achieved the ranking by
> > basically winning on time.
> > 
> > Daniel Liu
> 
> I don't think I understand this.  Is there a KGS problem with
> time-keeping?  
> Did something happen that unfairly caused the player to lose on time?
> 
> Those games should be erased and the ratings retracted if that's easy
> for
> William Shubert to do.   Did the player(s) complain about this?
> 
> - Don
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