[computer-go] Depth dependent evaluation effects on monte carlo
searches
Jason House
jason.james.house at gmail.com
Sat Jun 9 21:44:12 PDT 2007
Magnus Persson wrote:
> Quoting Jason House <jason.james.house at gmail.com>:
>
>> Looking at a single color, the winning percentage seems to shift by
>> 0.2 to 0.4%... About what I'd expect to see. What confuses me though
>> is how to interpret the jump back and forth as the color changes
>> (about 8%). Are the percentages always the winning percentage for
>> black? Or is it the winning percentage for the color to move?
>
> It is the latter, the winning percentage for the move just played.
>
> Root is the position after the first move of black with white to move,
> I changed
> the colors in your table.
> W: 54.3%
> B: 46%
> W: 54.6%
> B: 46.3%
> W: 54.7%
> B: 47.6%
> W: 54.9%
> B: 47.0%
Taking that into account, the winning percentages for white would be:
W: 54.3%
B: 54%
W: 54.6%
B: 53.7%
W: 54.7%
B: 52.4%
W: 54.9%
B: 53.0%
>> If it's the winning percentage for the color to move, it seems really
>> strange that it'd go up for both colors as the principle variation
>> went on.
>
>
> If it goes up for both players it might mean that the games get more
> hot, that
> is, a pass become more and more catastrophic.
>
> A more boring explanation is that as you go deep in the tree, for
> statistical
> reasons the program most likely finds moves that have been
> overestimated, and
> with deeper search these values will come closer to the average.
I'm guessing the 2nd explanation is probably the case.
Thanks a lot for generating that data for me. It was interesting to
see. I think it definitely shows the fluctuation by color to move.
I'll probably try and generate some pure MC numbers (without growing
trees) to see how they look. When I generate the data, I'll post it to
the list.
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