[computer-go] A thought about Bot-server communications

[terry mcintyre]

Perhaps servers should have test suites and regression tests for participants. These would enable bugs to be worked out before engaging in tournament play.
 
Terry McIntyre <terrymcintyre at yahoo.com>
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----- Original Message ----
From: Gunnar Farnebäck <gunnar at lysator.liu.se>
To: computer-go <computer-go at computer-go.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [computer-go]  A thought about Bot-server communications


Nick Wedd wrote:
>> Sorry, but I can't take this seriously. If your board update routine
>> fails, just fix it. As long as you trust the controller to send
 legal
>> moves, it's well defined how the board will look. The same board
>> update logic can be used for all rulesets. If you don't agree about
>> the legality, complain in a logfile. If you don't trust the
 controller
>> to send legal moves, you have a problem that is hardly properly
 solved
>> by asking it for a different board state description.
> 
> I agree that the server knows better than me about the legality.  I 
> trust the server to make legal moves.  I just might not know how to 
> update the board state after a move I had not realised was possible.
> 
> In 1998, running the Ing Cup, I tested all the entrants for their 
> behaviour when someone played a suicide move at them.  Many Faces put
 up 
> a polite dialog box explaining that this was an illegal move.  Go++
 was 
> more amusing:  it allowed the move (which you would approve) but left
 
> the suicided stones on the board, where they became almost
 unkillable, 
> it could not capture them by removing their last liberty as they
 didn't 
> have one, the only way to lose them was to capture exactly one of
 their 
> surrounding stones, in a perverted kind of snapback.  I would have 
> preferred these programs to have been able to respond "wtf is going
 on, 
> please tell me the current board state".

Well, the thing is that fixing the board update logic should in most 
cases be a matter of adding a small number of lines, or in extreme
 cases 
even removing some lines. In terms of programming it's a much bigger 
operation to obtain information by external communication and then 
trying to recover the internal data structures.

/Gunnar
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